Ryzen?
by TheeMahn on Mar.09, 2017, under Ultimate Edition
I knew this was coming. I built an O/S to compensate, far from done. Those that did not listen to me (my response):
First of all I told you not to buy one until reviews were out there. You are sitting on a gold mine. You can not buy one without dropping mad money. Sold out in one hour. You are lucky to have one, try and buy a Asus Hero. AMD did not drop the ball Mainboard manufacturers did.
What did he get?
https://www.servethehome.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-linux-benchmarks-paying-for-speed/
I am going to tell you right now the 1800X is against almost the entire server line. I must interviein this chip was intended for the desktop, you and me. The Intel chips the 1800X goes againt are greater then 5 grand for a chip, $500 seems better now does it not? Naples will be 4 Ryzens with Infilink 128 lanes of PCI 3.0. No pun intended Intel is going down. Are you a precious Gamer? This may get fixed & stroke anything Intel has. Let me tell you lose 1 FPS and people get excited if you are a gamer. The human eye can only a typically can see only 30 FPS. I have 4K holy damn I dropped to 50 Frames per sec. Junk the Ryzen lol. Yes, I know about the 1080TI, what is going to happen when the Vega drops? I do enjoy watching Nvidia grab at straws. Lowered their entire line of GPU’s in price to prepare, why would they crush their own chip the Titan X? Due diligence tells you what? What is Intel doing?
I did say a competitive market is coming. I find it ironic for NVidia to compete with themselves.
Don’t blow off AMD, they certainly do not.
TheeMahn,
March 9th, 2017 on 11:59 pm
Well when you think about it, it may come down to this.
AMD bought out ATI years ago, so now AMD has and is of the top 2 video card makers in the world. AMD did not drop the product line and start over, so ok we have now AMD video cards, fueled by the technology of going back to the oldest PCs in the world. Now take AMD who came along later with an 80286 and evolved that to a 486 586 Pentium clone, and so on with Athlon, and now all the way to Ryzen. Intel started with the 286 evolved to the Pentium, P2,P3 P4 and now to Core 2 and now on up to Core I7 (which is 8 core). Anyhow sadly INTEL did not make a great video card, still does not, they are cheesy designs, mostly using Shared memory but have no real gaming ability.
Nvidia came out as a 3rd party maker. I think its the gaming industry that fueled them, So now that we have the top 2 game card makers battling it out. I have always seen Intel being pricier than their AMD counterpart, regardless of speed and power. At one time AMD was behind, because they tended to mislead by offering processors based on overall performance, not actual speed. And admittedly that they were at once time hated by the public, because they truly did have lockup problems. But all computers by design have lockup problems. So many consumers were mislead by the fact that at one time AMD computers were sluggish by compartison the Intel technlogy.
But now in 2016 most of the perfromance bottlenecks are squashed. That AMD has the faster video card, is because they can, because they design the video card around their processors. A Winning formula. Intel has no high end video cards, they are mostly horrible low performance onboard video cards, far behind either of the other 2 offerings.
March 11th, 2017 on 1:27 am
You are almost 100% correct. The advantage AMD has over all parties involved. AMD can make APU’s. Even though Intel has integrated graphics in some of their chips, had to pay NVidia to be able to do so. NVidia actually sued them for it & Intel lost payed them for years. That has stopped as of this month. I do see some shady activities on the web & wonder if Intel is back to bad business practices. AMD has processors that moved quick, however no mainboard minus one has a mainboard you can purchase for the X370 chipset Biostar. Try and buy a Asus Hero for the RyZen.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007625%20601292786%20601292784&IsNodeId=1&Description=am4&name=AMD%20Motherboards&Order=BESTMATCH&isdeptsrh=1
Backorder, auto notify etc. It will come out in the end. I do not have one right now and #1 reason I do not. FineTuch has a 1700 and 0 mainboard, hmm. Think about what I say. Within one hour all mainboards gone, right along with the RyZen. The Ryzen was back in stock one day later.
March 12th, 2017 on 7:37 pm
I cannot say much, as I bought my Intel CoreI7 used on Ebay for about 130 bucks. However, I sure hope that if AMD sold you a boxed processor, it would have a decent cooling fan. To be honest the fan part of the fan is fine. It is the mounting system that is well pretty sad. I am going to look to find some springs and tiny screws, washers (plastic) etc, to make the whole thing well better anyhow. Another thing that I dont really get is why the heatsink is round and the processor is rectangular shaped. Sure I suppose most of heat is in the center but one would think they would use a rectangle shaped heat sink, over the cheesy one used.
So as a server how much load do you figure it will encounter on a normal day?
I have no experience in how much crunching is needed to run a server. I know more that reliable fast large hard drives, are what you mainly need. That and a lot of upload bandwidth of course.
Now a friend was given an Athlon 8 core processor like 5 years ago, as a free gift from AMD, but as you say at the time the cost of the motherboard was probably about the same as the cost of the processor. Nowadays can probably get one under 100.00
I found the best prices overall from Portatech. Then however, limited selections. But for home use I found the best ones, having as many ports as possible. This computer is a little different. There are 2 eSATA ports on the back, and I routed a power cable out there. Now again I am not familiar with eSATA but I am hoping it is a SATA port, which I will find useful to be able to hook up raw hard drives externally. I will have to go look up esata cables I guess.